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[Laughs.]. So, you know, that's why it's useful to have, you know, after you've made the emotional decision to handle something, to have a bit of a business meeting. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you ever think about collecting drawings or prints? You know, you name it. How has it evolved? CLIFFORD SCHORER: and that's an area that, as I've expanded my interest in, because Agnew's has such a deep archive on that material, so, you know, one of the first big projects we did with Anthony [Crichton-Stuart] was a phenomenal Pre-Raphaelite exhibition and show, and, you know. We had a cocktail party last night at someone's house; it was all the board members. Has that been changing? You know. CLIFFORD SCHORER: We do. Clifford J Schorer, age 56. And the museum is making ambitious purchases. So I didn't want to ship it out on a common carrier, so I actually rented a truck and put it in the truck, and I drove 20 hours, with one quick stop for some junk food. JUDITH RICHARDS: You were traveling a lot in the '80s. There was another local museum that was in trouble, the Higgins Armory Museum, and they had the second-best arms and armor collection in America, and also an unsung hero. I saw people. And I had to take it into various pieces. Anyway, I bought her lunch, and I got to go into the room. And he said, "Well, ironically enough, Sotheby's"and I knewI could feel this sort ofwithout even asking the question, I knew that Noortman's days since the death of Robert Noortman were numbered. And that was because they could be. I had businesses I was running to make money. Now, we have to be very responsive if that changes. So it wasyou know, thatit's not as if you canat the level we're talking about in paleontology, there's not many opportunities. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm trying to think what I'veno, what I've done is, which is interesting, is I've sort of done that kind of thing your psychiatrist advises you to do, which is I'm projecting. I was, JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. And I could actually get reasonably good examples. JUDITH RICHARDS: level of your interest. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, we were in auctions, competing with other people who were in the trade, so often your sort of very important thing to keep in mind was what everybody else was doing relative to something you were interested in: who was on it, who was not on it, that sort of thing. I don't want to say thatI don't want to take anything away from the scholars who do serious scholarship, because what I'm doing is really applying an acuity of eye to a question, and that's a very, very tiny aspect. SoAnna Cunningham; she doesshe's the one who sort ofshe keeps all the sheep herded; so she keeps us focused on what we need to do [laughs], and she manages all of the gallery operations. I said, "Okay.". CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. I mean, Iwell, maybe a little more. And I think I needed more of a therapist than a decorator. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, that's changed. I meanso I had a partner in Montreal. I've got some Portuguese examples. Those people are notthey don't exist now, and they don't exist for a lot of reasons. [Affirmative.] JUDITH RICHARDS: Thinking of boyhood passions, you talked about war, and did you ever want to collect armor? And he said, "Do you know what you bought?" It's obviously spelled in a different alphabet. I would have purchased some of the assets; we may have purchased some of the inventory. This is my third bite at the apple, and I wasn't going to lose it this time. It was 2007 or '08. And there were some of them that were good enough to deceive the best. Researchers should note the timecode in this transcript is approximate. And, you know, you can do that, and if it's done aesthetically well, you can show somebody that, you know, you can still have the quality and think about what a bargain it is. And, you know, obviously, Bill Viola was looking at the Old Masters and thinking aboutyou know, he says as much in his own words. You know, I sort of had a sense of what I needed, and, you know, in terms of someone whose eye I've always esteemed and who has a very even keel and about whom I never heard a bad word. But anyway, no, I mean, you know, it was the good old days. And I said, "Well, I assume you do if you just bid me up to $47,000." CLIFFORD SCHORER: A 110-foot whale, very big specimen. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I tried toI made every installation decision. When Clifford Schorer was told about a Drer drawing, he didn't believe it because so few exist. We have a sort of oath that we take about, you know, things we have personal interests in or things like that. I'm projecting, you know, my sort of personal loves onto things that I'm helping the gallery find, and I'm not taking psychological possession. CLIFFORD SCHORER: We packed up everything to go down there. And then the real estate. I'm not opposed to the popularizers of history. My maternal grandfather was dead by the time I was born. Menu. That was one thing. JUDITH RICHARDS: Were any ofso these travels weren't anyweren't specifically about collecting? JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that an interesting area for you to think about, the evolving nature of art storage? And I thought that was very, veryit was really very nice, because I would just come over and talk about art. $17. And so the National Gallery has our historic stock books and archive. So because I happened to be going to all of these events, I would see the object. I mean, I'm very social. So, you know, I love that. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That would've been a little bit early. No, no. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. I felt authenticity when I saw it. Clifford is related to Marianne T Schorer and Clifford J Schorer as well as 3 additional people. He also made the gas for the Nazis. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I was livingI was in Paris a lot. It's a temple. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I'm thinking 16 years. It's the same problem. And she's, you know, "Chiuso, chiuso." So I went to the booth, and I talked to them about the Procaccini, and they didn't know who I was, and I basically wanted to keep it that way. You know, there are certainly moments in the '60s and '70s when scholarship might have been a little weaker, and they missed something, but in general, right after the war, when everyone else was profiteering, the firm didn't. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I still spent a lot of my timeregional auction houses, and I had expanded by then to go to the library and look at all the French auction houses. Yeah, well, this was an early, early. I think I was 20 or 21. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, with plenty of Q&A. [1:02:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's by Antonio de Pereda. You know, with the exception, of course, of some of the contemporary galleries which are really making the money. You know, it's interesting to me, because I'm an advocate for that market. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That was the first thing that I bought as a painting, yes. And, JUDITH RICHARDS: You didn't feel encumbered? There are a number of hats I had to take off. He said, "Yes, I'm Jim." [00:42:00]. And that had a profound impact. But it hammered down; I lost it, you know, and thought no more of it. He would give me projects to do. I mean, it went from, you know, plastic box in Plovdiv to now, you know, altar throne in the Sofia National Museum via the London, you know, RA show on the greatest bronzes. So it's very exciting. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And those worked out very well, because what I brought to the table, which I think was different from other investors they had worked with, was that I also brought very strong opinions. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, certainly, don't destroy the art if you can avoid it. And I'm very excited, because Procaccini will finally get a major, monographic book. CLIFFORD SCHORER: '80; I think I was class of '87 or '88. Shop affordable wall art to hang in dorms, bedrooms, offices, or anywhere blank walls aren't welcome. It was basicallythey didn't tell me who bought it, but they told me it was reserved, and then shortly thereafter I learned the National Gallery in Washington bought it. So. And so, you know, I bought a territory with a partner, and we have a territory, and basically, you know, we go to an annual meeting, and we have a dinner with the managers, and that's ourso, in a sense, I was able to sort of extract myself from project-based businesses to at least have this background income that would support a very marginal lifestyle, which is what I live. JUDITH RICHARDS: Could anything be done? CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, eventually, I was accepted to a few colleges in Boston. His paintings cover a wide range - from the Civil War to rural hamlets and a multitude of seascapes with the ocean and . I mean, you read the stock books; you just are in awe that, you know, on every page of the stock book is a painting that we now know from a collection, a public collection. [00:44:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: But generally speaking, those didn't show up at most of these estate sales. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's a long, convoluted history, but basically lots of research, lots of phone calls, and everyone knowing that I'm on the hunt for Procaccini. Chinese Imperial you didn't often see, you know, in a Paris shop. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And everywhere I went, I met people. A little house in Levittown that was literally bursting with stamps. [1:00:00], And when a gallery approaches the person, and says, "Look, we're going to catalogue it; we're going to do this; we're going to take it to this city; we're going to show it at this fair; we're going to do these things; we're going to pay the insurance on it; we're going to pay the shipping and all of these things, and, you know, we'd like to earn 15 percent." 3) Example 2: Create New Variable Based On Other Columns Using transform () F CLIFFORD SCHORER: I had access to, you know, a virtual warehouse full of them. One is an Adoration of the Magi, and one is The Taking of Christ, so I have sort of the beginning of the story and the end of the story [laughs], which I'm very excited about. And I hadn't ever sold anything, so there was no selling going on. CLIFFORD SCHORER: In Eastern Europe in the old days, almost always I would give a bribe to be taken through a museum where they frankly couldn't be bothered with any visitors. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Still living in Boston, yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: Just a sense of knowing what the price should be, JUDITH RICHARDS: or what's been bid in the past, JUDITH RICHARDS: what it sold at so that you don't feel. CLIFFORD SCHORER: D'Albo, D, apostrophe, A-L-B-O. I mean, Ithat was athat's obviously devoid of all [00:54:01], CLIFFORD SCHORER: and I come back to that later in my life. [00:04:00]. And my maternal grandmother, Ruth, was still living. No, no. And I remember saying, you know, These are the best Chinese export objects that you can buy, you know, in America, because these were very much American market pieces. We sold the real estate. I would saysometimes I still go over to the Natural History Museum just to poke around. It was [Carlo] Maratti. Completed College. So we went down thereat 13, when he moved down there. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I think they were so proud that they recently found it in the ground that they had that at hand so they could tell the story. How can they possibly have a Piero di Cosimo in Worcester? So you have lots of interesting things in Bulgaria, but they're basically in the sort of, you know, big, communist, ornate, central museum in Sofia. In the archive there are astonishing surprises. I mean, I think it was a natural evolution. So, I mean, I rememberI remember buying that because I thought it would be a good decoration. All the time. [00:30:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. How did that acquisition come about? And, you know, for example, Anthony decided he wanted to do a Lotte Laserstein show. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, oftenin that case, I would have to call up an Italian curator. And also, my grandparents wanted me to be a child. Winslow Homer Red Shirt, Homosassa, Florida, 1904. [00:50:00], And, you know, Anthony went through the archives and saw this material and knew the artist and apparently, you know, knew people who came to the show and thought it was an amazing show. In the old art, it's a little easier, because you don't have living artists advocating for, you know, those sorts of things. [Laughs.] So all day and night we send pictures back and forth by WhatsApp going, "Do we think this is this? They have also lived in Stamford, CT and New York, NY. JUDITH RICHARDS: If we can go just separate, not the gallery. So it. And you know, there's no way I'm ever going to get it back. So, you know, very technical people, but not, you knowI would say the learning was lacking, but the technical acumen was there. And it sounds like you had a much broader approach, or deeper approach. And, you know, we can cover a lot of ground. I couldn't sort of spur of the moment go say, Oh, buy this because it's very interesting. 15 records for Clifford Schorer. There's an understanding of what they need; there's an understanding of what they want. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Putting aside in storage happened organically, because by the time I was three years into my house, I had more than I could use in my house. [They laugh.] I worked very hard on the programs. Now, that's where the museum world and my personal life intersected, because of the Worcester Art Museum. JUDITH RICHARDS: You mean it's unusual for galleries in London to borrow from museums? [00:14:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I get my screw gun and I open whatever I want to open whenever I want to look at it, so, yes. And Iyou know, I doff my cap to them. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I wentI had a pretty bad high school experience. Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: 5 sound files (3 hr., 57 min.) They said, "If you take the car, you'll be murdered." So, yes, I've had, over the years, to send things to the art museum or to conservators or to other places to get them out of my house. JUDITH RICHARDS: for the field. And there are 7.9 or eight billion people now. Available in a range of colours and styles for men, women, and everyone. So I went through the whole museum. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, I go to London about seven days a month, and again, you know, the gallery operates on its own. You know, it was important to me that that's the type of person, you know, sink or swim, whetheryou know, I didn't want a shark. And then my junior year, after, I think, the second or third day, I quit high school. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. So I went down to Virginia, and I got a programming job at Best Products, which was a retailer. He focuses on businesses with unique ideas or technologies that are in need of guidance during their initial growth phases. In 2019, Clifford Schorer, an entrepreneur and art dealer from Boston, stopped by the shop to purchase a last-minute gift. So, all of my companies are project companies; they only make money if my projects are executed and are successful. So. No one, you knowother than school trips, people didn't really think of it as a great collection. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And I would go visit their shops, and I wouldand I knew from the Chinese porcelain days, for example, Polly Latham, who's a Boston Chinese porcelain dealer. So it wasn't that I had a great knowledge; it's just that I thought Boston was very beautiful. And I remember finding that hysterical, that they would water this mud horse every day with a spray gun. I was in the running, and I lost it marginally. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. I mean, it was, you know. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that similar tois that situation similar to other galleries in London that have once had 40 employees in the field and now are reduced to this kind of more focused business? JUDITH RICHARDS: No, no, no, this is very important, JUDITH RICHARDS: what you were talking about. [Affirmative.]. Clifford Schorer and Judith Olch Richards have reviewed this transcript. To me, what's happened is, it's a lifestyle that maybe is going away, the lifestyle of the sort of dedicated scholar, in high, euphemistic quotes, collector who would buy one major painting per year, who would study, study, study, study, study until they found that moment, and then it would come and they would buy it, and they put it in their collection, and then they die with a 29-painting collection that's extraordinary. A preparatory drawing surfaced that scholarship saidand it was not available. No, as a matter of fact, I mean, obviously, we have great respect, and we like the feeling of our gallery in London, and wherever possible, if we can show a painting in kind of our home, you know, bring people into the living room and have the painting on the wall and sit down in front of it and talk about it. And then he had a very complete American collection. ", CLIFFORD SCHORER: "We know he dropped out after two and a half years, but you want this guy." So things would end up in boxes. [00:28:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: What about relationships with galleries and auction houses specifically? And most of our manuals were in Japanese, because the cash register manufacturers in those days were mostly Japanese. I said, "I'll leave the car and I'll walk." That part of your life expand that way? But I went away, you know, tail between my legs, because it was absolutely unattainable for me. It was ridiculous. It took a long time; there was a, JUDITH RICHARDS: They have their own restoration. Summary: An interview with Clifford Schorer conducted 2018 June 6-7, by Judith Olch Richards, for the Archives of American Art and the Center for the History of Collecting in America at the Frick Art Reference Library of The Frick Collection, at the offices of the Archives of American Art in New York, New York. $17. I mean, I would certainly still be able to collect, and probably more successfully, because I would be focused like a laser beam on sort of one thing, you know, one idea. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Of which I can appreciate; I mean, I understand that. I'm certain it was with Mildred, because she was very involved in all of those things. So a couple months go by, and I get this photo, and I open it up, and it's really wonderful. CLIFFORD SCHORER: This was '85, '86-ish, I think. [00:22:01], CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, that'syou know, as a six-year-old or something, I remember that. Payntars are Dutch, yeah. And, you know, those are amazing moments. Prep the spring onion by cutting the white part, the middle part and the green part and keep them separately. [00:18:00]. JUDITH RICHARDS: Okay, justI suddenly wasn't hearing the mic. So, I mean, he wasby the latter point of that, his eyesight was failing, and you know, the collecting was something he sat and pretended to do. And I've been in Boston ever since. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. I collect Dutch still lifes; I collect," you know, fill in the blank. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And he lived quite a bit after that. ", CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's interesting. I ran into him at TEFAF. I mean, it startedso you started collecting in that area or just that one piece? Death . 750 9th Street, NW CLIFFORD SCHORER: I always liked authenticity in the architecture. Or was it a matter of opportunity, that you would look at what was out there and decide what you wanted and give. So, you know. JUDITH RICHARDS: Who was the director then? I would be 16, turning 17 in that year. And they probably bought it the week before, because the trade was very different back then. JUDITH RICHARDS: You just didn't want to think about selling? Now she's at Milwaukee. It's a crazy catastrophe of storage. Where there's a profit to be made by. So it was a fun little entre into what the dealers did for a living. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But, I mean, I love opening those folders and just finding out what was sold in 1937 to. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Sure. You know. [00:32:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because the people I knew [laughs] when I was 17 were 60. But if something great pops up in our little cabal, it immediately travels up to their level. Yeah, they close rooms. [Affirmative.] It had been in dealer hands so long, and it had been sort of, shall we say, gussied up so many times by restorersanother layer of varnish, another layer of feeble retouching, another layer of varnish. I mean, everyone who came to visit me said, "Welcome to old lady land.". Rita Albertson at the Worcester Art Museum did a phenomenal restoration. I mean, but I didn't, you know, I wasn't trying to make myself a gadfly in the market, or even a gadfly in the curatorial world. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, I bought aand that's when I started buying paintings. [00:30:00]. So, you know, there was that frustration, that you can never haveyou know, you can never have an encyclopedic stamp collection because you're always going to bethe lacuna is the same lacuna every other collector is going to have. The reality was, it was cheap. There's a plaque to my grandfather, dedicated to my grandfather, but it doesn't say anything about me. I was making a lot of money for three weeks, and I was traveling for three weeks. And recently, what I do is I actuallyI get involved with the construction projects for them, so I'm building their new buildings, which I love. "Winter"A Skating Scene, published January 25, 1868. Winslow Homer. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Gallery exhibition, or that take the gallery in ayou know, in the direction that Anthony wants us to steer. And she got tired [00:20:02]. You're going into someone else's space to show an artwork. So the Worcester experience was a very interesting one and actually was perfect, because Worcester is the size that it is. Armed with little more than his wits, Winslow Homer was, at 25, one of only a few artist-reporters embedded with Union troops for Harper's Weekly Illustrated. CLIFFORD SCHORER: no, no, I agree. I mean, a real Reynolds. And I finally saidI said, "Look, how much is it going to cost me, and can I take you to lunch, or, you know, what is it going to take me to get in there?" And the angels that were attending Marythe detail that got me was they had a sunburn, but the straps of their sandals had fallen down, and you could see the outline of the sunburn where their sandal straps were. The mission changed; the vision statement changed; the facilities are undergoing changes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm not smart enough to make an artist's reputation from whole cloth, soand I'm also not manipulative enough to make an artist's reputation by employing strategic curators to insert them into collections. I've been giving them photographs for their book of my collection of works, and I know they've been sort of on the hunt for other good photographs. Anthony's family livesthey own the Isle of Bute in [. I mean, you know, recently we did some work on Joseph Wright of Derby, and Cleveland bought our Joseph Wright of Derby. I would go to HtelDrouot and spend the entire day, day after day after day. Is that whole chapter of, CLIFFORD SCHORER: So that whole story is fresh scholarship. CLIFFORD SCHORER: There are otherthere are other areas that I'm interested in, and I put money into them, but they're not, sort of, simple collecting. I was definitely some. You know, it clouds my view of the artwork. And at one point I had five Daniele Crespis, because I thought he was, you know. Or did you have friends who also had these interests? JUDITH RICHARDS: Is there a certainand that's a kind of a new model of art storage, with viewing facilities. I don't own them now. There was a stegosaurus that came up from the Badlands in South Dakota that I didn't move on fast enough, and then there was a triceratops that I didn't move on fast enough, but I had a second opportunity when the owner passed away. I mean, a story I'm obsessed with is theis the German scientist who invented the nitrate process for fertilizer, because in his hands lies the population explosion of the 20th century. Just one. You know? It wasn't expected. CLIFFORD SCHORER: sort of with art 24-7 in London because I have the gallery. You walk in; there's no receptionist. So, yes, there's a plaque to my grandfather. It's a big Spanish altarpiece. And then we put that with a 1930s painting by [Tulio] Crali, you know, this sort of aeropittura of Modernism. Followers. It wasit was a vestige of youth. All of a sudden, there's 30 mainland Chinese people in the room. 1-20 out of 147 LOAD MORE. JUDITH RICHARDS: There wasn't time to look for someone else if he had not. It'swhy embarrassment? 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