I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. Leakdown is probably the most common complaint with the N tractors, but its usually easy to fix. It is bent forward which I thought would help if anything, wrong? I got in the habit of wearing safety glasses 100% of the time in my shop. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Right. Simple. Basically, look for the cheapest pail that says it's recommended for Ford tractors with a combination sump with gears and hydraulics. Did you find a way to fix this. Maybe not true. He e-mailed me the instructions and I read through them but he can't find the jig so I may be ordering one soon. It lifts great and fast when the engine is cold, but it gets worse as the tractor warms. Looking at the condition of the fluid when checking the level can help indicate when the fluid should be changed. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. If you will get one of my 8N lift adjusting jig fixtures you can fix that lift. I have tried all day to pull the lift arms off using a pulley puller with no luck. If those didn't do the trick I would then go back to removing the yoke, etc. Dont use a high pressure or youll blast the piston out of there like a rocket. While the 8N piston originally came with steel rings, many have been upgraded with a Jubilee style o-ring. If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. Be sure to have a good welder do it. (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. Thanks. Thanks. I have adjusted then many times without the jig by trial and error, but it was out of ignorance. I do see it is bent as well. My pic is attached. Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? My brother-in-law, who is a boat mechanic, is coming by tomorrow. (Long) in the Tractors forum followed by comments. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Get the adjusting jig from Zane. "author": { This is accomplished by tightening or loosening the nut on the end of the hydraulic touch control lever shaft (fig. If the hydraulics either go all the way up or all the way down (with no control in the middle), the problem is likely with your pivot pins. I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. Again, thank you for the help. There was a slight curve to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , what the heck . It is critical. Here are some suggestions to get you started fixing your tractor. Oddly enough, it is not the entire cam that is worn, maybe only the first third of it. This is an excellent time to rebuild the lift cylinder also. With about 800 pounds on the lift arms, the front tires start to come off the ground. Drain off some fluid to expose the top of the pump. How did you adjust the draft and position control mechanism? Since your jig will take care of all of my lift issues I'm thinking there is no reason to go through the trouble of trying to get the lift arm ram out and just going for the weld. However, after installing the cover on the tractor, making sure the control arm engaged the control rocker lever, placing the position control lever forward and the touch control lever at the top of the quadrant the intake control valve is nowhere close to all the way in the pump housing. Wrong? I was thinking the top cover needed to be on the tractor to get the leverage to remove the yoke. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. Make sure the rod is connected and that it is moving the control valve spools in and out as you move the lift control lever up and down. A really hard freeze could actually crack something. However, when I flip the lever to "draft control" my plow will drop to the ground and the lift will not lift it anymore. You can determine if the leakage is coming from the lift cylinder by removing the right side cover (the one with the dipstick) and starting the tractor. At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well Is the control arm straight? Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=958809", Hi All- this is rookie question. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! This provides a much more positive seal to eliminate the small leakage from the cast iron rings. of the hydraulic touch control lever and lift arms to be sure they were not moved while making the adjustments. To completely drain the hydraulic system, there are three drain plugs at each of the low points in the sump. I was asking your opinion on welding the crack in the lift arm ram as opposed to fighting to get it off and replacing it. Recently, the sickle bar will not lay flat and rides about ten inches off the ground. Slide the quadrant bracket toward the rear of the tractor (bolt holes are elongated). Right there in the slot as a STOP to prevent going higher. When changing the fluid, try to flush as much of the sludge as possible out with the old fluid. What do you think? Thanks for te help. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. If the oil looks milky, its got water in it. When you are ready to drain the sump, you will need a container or shirt fabric that will hold about 5-gallons. ditto that. "logo": { Just give them a ring to get started. It should be set so that it requires a pull of 4 to 5 pounds on the knob to move the lever. Any comments would be welcome. Where are they and what do they look like? Or do I need to move it to "position Control" to transport my plow? ", I've seen a 1200-pound round bale on a 3-point bale spike on the back of an 8N, but he also had a loader bucket on the front to help balance the weight. You definitely dont want that to happen. If it seems like your hydraulics just arent doing anything, be sure to check that the PTO lever is engaged and then try. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. } Now it is only used about 10 Hours a year. It will work ok but obviously won't be a year-round fluid for many areas. Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? Pivot pins was mentioned. Wrong? It is critical. Pic attached. "datePublished": "2015-06-09", The N tractors originally had a piston with 3 cast iron rings to seal it. Little heat and came off pretty easily. BTW, did you see my bent control arm pic? My email address is provided for tractor questions. Learn how your comment data is processed. It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig to use so that the end of the control rod ends up in the right position. Draining this water is easy to do. Any moisture we can drain off this way will not be in there to mix with the fluid when it warms up. I also removed the lift cover and checked and adjusted the constant draft and position cont Welcome! May have nothing to do with my issues but seems dumb to leave it like that. Have a question about my 8N hydraulics. Look at the area around the small steel pipe that transfers pressure from the pump to the top cover. The worst spot for that is the drain plug where the pump is. Thanks guys - this is exactly how it works. "@type": "ImageObject", Includes left and right anchors.OEM #: 957E596, 957E597.Applic.. $14.36 $15.69 Spring, Hydraulic Control - 9N547B Adjusting the lift on the 8N certainly can be done without a jig but it is a lot easier and will save your dentures too. "width": 200, Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? The new Position Control setting bypassed the draft control and allowed the implement to remain at a consistent position relative to the position of the Touch Control lever.A continued drawback to this series of tractor, was the safety need for an overrunning clutch at the end of the PTO shaft.. Choke Control Rod Assembly.Ford - Fits: 2N, 9N; Replaces: 9N9700 * Fits (1939-47)* NOTE: this is 1 . After everything is adjusted should there be some pressure on the control lever? If you have an implement on the lift and it drifts down over a few minutes time after the tractor is shut off you have some leakage. Remove the PTO shaft. Any comments would be welcome. Dean Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was wondering if someone had bent it intentionally as a fix . Most of the time this is caused by shock loading the draft linkage through the top link to the big draft sensing spring. Little heat and came off pretty easily. Attach a heavy implement (anything weighing at least 150 pounds should be enough). Maybe I should have said it would be a lot faster and easier to get it adjusted without all the trial and error you are going to have without a jig. It goes in the lower front pivot bolster and looks like this. Dean Here is the pic. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. I have pulled the pump and cleaned the pump cavity. I replaced the pin, but still need to order Zane's jig to properly adjust. https://www.steinertractor.com/IHS097-bolster-pivot-pin. Dirt and other contaminants collect in the fluid and there is no filtration to remove them. Now assembly them on the 3PT lift control arm swing. (Long)", How's this procedure Zane? Just give them a ring to get started. "height": 57 John Thanks for the suggestion. Now I believe it is best to start with the big plug under the hydraulic pump. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with this web site, nor is this site sponsored or endorsed by them in any way. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Start filling the sump. There is only one position in which the quadrant support plate can be located where both of the above conditions will be met. Never plow, etc. First, it causes rust and corrosion. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Figured that out after I sent the last message. If no oil is spraying out anywhere, you could have a bad pump. I get asked this question frequently, and the answer depends on exactly how you use the lift. When it stops, tighten the plug. Disassemble the control linkage until you can get the part with the worn pin out of there. Still, that is just native grass and weeds. Have a friend with a MIG welder but Zane advised 7018 stick welding, which I'm sure I could get done in town. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. Pull the dipstick and see where the level is. Drain the sump. Never force anything! Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. "width": 200, The fluid will go longer between changes if we can keep some of the moisture from mixing with it. Measure 1.7 - 1.75 inches forward from the front edge of this bolt hole. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. "publisher": { So, if water isn't getting past the shifter socket, how does it get in the sump? I'll send an e-mail to your site. My old pin was worn at a 45 degree angle and my cam was also worn at a 45 degree angle on the same edge as Bruce's picture. Simple. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. I used to start with the small pipe plug at the back. I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. It can (and probably should) be lightly honed to a cleanup. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. Any suggestions? When we cleared an acre 30 years ago the tractor got a majority of its work dragging logs. Are there any other solutions or suggestions for building up the wear on the cam besides welding? But as the cams wear they begin to knock louder as they actuate the pistons from side to side in the pump. There are two piston assemblies that should move at the same time, and in opposite directions. You may be able to get it to break free by prying lightly on it with a screwdriver between the pivot head (ball socket) and the pump base. Chances are, you will find that the valve pivot is stuck and not moving. My cam is not worn anywhere close to the pic that Bruce posted. (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. Yes. Ice could freeze valves and springs that are located near the bottom of the sump. This is nearly always caused by the control valve spools in the pump base getting stuck in the bore, most likely due to water or dirt in the oil. Thanks for the suggestion. Any improvement will help. "name": "Jasmith503" 75 Tips Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. Zane I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. "publisher": { Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . While reinstalling saw this significant crack in the lift ram arm. Then, if you have a jig, adjust the linkage to specs. If the oil is leaking out of the piston top, the seal or o-ring could be damaged. Its generally not an immediate pressing problem. Movement of the control valve arm should begin at the start of movement of the hydraulic touch control lever. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. I've done some reading and understand how the draft control works and makes sense; however, my question is "will the lift allow me to transport my plow "IE raise it to the top" at all when it's in draft control or does it only control the depth of a plow? Really not sure what is the best way to go on that. I enjoy answering those. Go just a little too far and you will get several gallons of fluid in the face or running down your arm as you frantically try to thread the plug back in. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see "perfectly straight" would not describe my control lever. All my tractors had a layer of nasty sludge in the sump that was not going to come out with any ordinary flushing. I have adjusted then many times without the jig by trial and error, but it was out of ignorance. Get the adjusting jig from Zane. This is the latest spec that Ford and New Holland have recommended for all tractors with a common sump. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:47:01 06/09/15. You've done it, I haven't. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. A weak lift may not work at all with synthetic fluid. If you only have time to do one, do that one. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. It is bent forward which I thought would help if anything, wrong? RETURN - to main TUNE-UP page or go to the next subject BRAKES. Look for places where the gaskets may have blown out. Water in the hydraulic fluid is very bad. The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. 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